Illogical admins

@Nomy Ah yeah forgot about that part, I didn't re-read the thread I just remembered the DJ part, fair enough.

That being said I went over to my PayAdmin thread and I'm pretty sure I've been PA consecutively since July 2016 and not had this benefit? I might be wrong though, does it only mean if you have personally paid for it, or if other people have paid for you/won any competitions?

 

Thanks for clearing that up, not sure if other PayAdmins know about it, hopefully they'll check their threads

 

Don't expect admins on this server to be reasonable, half of the rules aren't even written. Even ancient romans had their fucking laws written, but apparently here rules must be handed down by voice and experience. Warning players before applying punishments is a privilege, if the admins feel like doing it they warn, otherwise they go directly to the punishment. Also, apparently admins have the right to punish you if you ask them to do it, joking or not, even tho you didn't do anything to deserve it. Some admins even favour their friends, handing out small punishments for big offenses or even overlooking them if no one complains in chat. Let's not talk about the fact that they're even allowed to use sprays that would be considered porn if used by normal players.
Fun thing was when one guy asked for unmute after saying "mong", he didn't get unmuted, even tho basically everyone uses that word, admins included, on a daily basis.

Rules apply to some, if you can't stand it leave the server. The sooner you understand it the better it is.

 

Interesting that you were that kind of pa....

 

@Larios dont know if you just woke up or just confused,,

Payaadmins play by the same rules everyone in hell does if we break the rules we get warned/punished like everyone els,

we are not allowed to favortism any players friend,cusin,brother,mother or cat if they play in hell and break rules we need to warn them like everyone els,

you say admins dont give warnings? first of all all payadmins give warnings to everyone that break rules, if you see someone get muted/or gagged whitout warning its cuz he have been warned before you joined that way it looks like he dident get a warning,, if we punish ppl left and right whitout warning payadmins will get in trubble for it so warning are always given and we admins always got proof or our warnings no matter what the person say,,,

we admins are there to play like everyone els we are not there to sit in spec and watch every singel person that gets freeshot,freekilld or hurt by someones joke or disrespect thats why we have admin chat you can use when we misss something you use it and type what happend and admins will help if you dont then we dont do anything about it, we need ppl to complain to us admins so we can take action against the person breaking rules if we dont get complains then we will leave it.

you have all server rules on forums if you dont want to go there and read them thats your fault, but we admins never punish new players whitout explaining to them the rules in admin chat,,

about that spray what admin is using a porn spray that other players would get banned for it? do you know what porn spray is or means? are you talking about my obama spray or is it someone els?

we are here to play the game, help out in the game and be there for all the players in the server but most we are there to have fun like everyone els,

remember we can not see everything or know everything when you have 1-2 admins with 30+ players and all screaming freekill,freeshot just think about it, we are here to make ppl have fun and feel welcome in hell servers

 

I did not see the third thread, I'm sorry, but it doesnt change the fact that theses threads are missing many rules , also the third one is called a "Guide" and it's exactly what it is. It explains the rules of the first two threads, which are missing a bunch of crucial ones.

-There's nothing talking about the warden's death. Is it a freeday? Is it a "keep following the last command" day? This caused so many freekills from newish cts, and some of them got even harshly punished for it.
-Commanding a T to take his gun while inside his cell and give it to you is not allowed by the admins, I dont see anything about this in the rules/guide.
-Thappy days. Many wardens command these days, ending up killing people for looking away from their cell for a split second, or uncrouching for a split second too. Now, this goes against this rule: "4. CTs should give warnings before killing people, except if it’s a rebelling or an escaping T!" but it's allowed, there's no rule talking about this.
-Special days. Often admins say "Can't give a special day in the middle of the round / at the start" I don't see anything talking about this. This should be clarified in the rules, since sometimes the auto opening of the cells end up giving a freeday while the CT is asking for a SD.

There's probably more, but nothing comes to my mind right now.

This doesn't make sense. IF I go to the police and ask them to arrest me for murder, they won't do it. Worst case scenario they'll arrest me for harassing them. Same thing should be applied here, since it's only logical. If you ask for a ban for something you didn't do, you shouldn't get banned. You didn't break any rule. Worst case scenario, you can get gagged for harassing the admins.

One of the problems is in fact that lack of control of the payadmins. Hell members don't log in the server often, which is probably why this happens. Players also can't record every round in its integrity.

Not blaming the clan at all, I'm pointing out an issue that occurs from times to times. It's your decision if you want to increase the control on the payadmins or not. Also, as I said, someone got muted for saying "Mong", which is used by many people including admins, made a thread about it and didn't get unmuted. Well, we got admins swearing all day long and nothing happens to them. I don't think these admins should be punished for this, since it's a trivial thing, but please don't punish the players if they swear, if you're not gonna punish the admins too.

Not hating, pointing out some issues. I personally don't want to play JB while being a report-machine, recording every round and reporting every offense I see. I play to have fun. Keeping the server under control is as much as a responsibility for players than for payadmins / hell admins.

There's only one person who I, personally, "intimidate" ( is that even the correct word? ) for reporting. But that's cause he uses "i'll report you" and things like "I got demos of you, you'd better watch how u talk to me" to intimidate ( it is the correct word now ) other players into doing what he wants.

This is what you're supposed to do, but many times it doesn't go like you say. Also about the porn spray, yes, I'm talking about your obvious penis spray, it even has veins on it. Extremely detailed, grats to whoever made it.

 

Technically they are rebels at this point if you are not doing what the Warden is instructing; however you are correct its slightly vague, but don't think it's anything to complain about... sounds like a loophole.

The special day is down to the discretion of the admin who has been asked/replied to the Special Day request and if they feel that a SD is not happening they can say no. As for the freeday as a result the Warden should command incase of a admin saying no to prevent this from happening. For example, "All t's knife vent to die and take one step out once the cell doors open" " admin could I please have a Friendly Fire Day" this would cancel out the situation you are describing meaning no freeday is caused.

This can quite easily be seen as trolling so if the admin is looking for a reason you've given it to him... you're wasting both your time and an admins time asking so deal with it I guess.

To be honest Larios when I started playing Jailbreak regularly I thought this too, but the actual issue was myself... The favouritism that players always talk about isnt really true it's a sort of scapegoat for rule breaking players to use... But realistically, pay admins are there to help and not seem a downer on your fun. One last think I agree @Running Dildo sort your spray out you arse

 

@Larios let me explain something.. that's not what we are suppsed to do we pay do be admin we don't get paid we are there to play and have fun like everyone els in the server. We help out donating and we help out with rule breakers but we are there to play cuz we are players to like everyone els
We are not there to watch you guys 24/7 and learn what porn spray is no one complained about my spray you are the first one to complain. I had same spray for the pass 4 years .

Before I put that spray on I talked to hell admins to look at my spray and se if it's ok to use.

If it was porn I would spray ban my self.

And we can resufe to give special days our job is not to give special day everytime someone ask for it.

Warning shot is a rule but no warningshots are needed to give out when map is tsided with 6-0 to the Ts and every round is chaos with everyone rebeling.

Ppl in server think you can ignore wardens commands and then whine about warningshot thats not how it works.

If you ignore wardens commands then you die that don't mean take one step out and freez but ppl jump around like bunny and try rebeling failing and cry thappy..

And specialday when cells open?

Warden ask for special day admin ask what special day warden tells admin what special day a t open cells and admin do special day how is that unfair again ?

You need to understand when cts try to command every round you got ppl nonstop rebeling and cts can not do games and play the game they get tierd and do what ever it takes to control a round even be a bit thappy with it

 

@Larios
A DONATOR ADMIN is someone who help the clan by donation and also dedicate some of his time to make you comfortable playing on the server and helping the new players to learn the rules,

They are humans , not a Ganisha. They can do mistakes. We cannot see everything. And btw , we also warn people privately. What you see on public chat is 40% of what hell/donator admins do.

And I also recommand to use the report section (simply record or just do screenshots ) if you really CARE ABOUT THE SERVER ISSUES.

We are helping the clan to keep the great servers on the top. So instead of whining and sayin to hell admins what they do , help us by suggesting solutions or report rules brakers on the right section.

And don't worry , hell admins warn also donator admins and know everything about the server. They don't need to connect with their official accounts. They are everywhere at everytime

Thanks. Captain Shhhh.

 

Personally I'm not intimidated to report, I just think nothing's going to get done, and that's usually what happens.
For example this thread I made, the last time I reported an admin:
- https://hellclan.co.uk/threads/38340/
The response:
'Report for a slay...
Steam message/PM a clan member instead, thanks. Locked.'
I mean, it wasn't the most professional report, but it was still valid, and it got knocked off as irrelevant.
Just him being told, 'that was wrong' would have made it feel justified.

You keep saying to pm a clan member when something happens with a payadmin and I don't quite agree with this:
- One way this could be interpreted is that you protect the payadmin more than you protect the common player, encouraging things to be delt with discretely when it comes to a certain 'group', doesn't seem quite fair, but this can be seen as bad for the admin in question too.

I'm using myself as an example for this, when I was reported, I didn't see any evidence, any screenshots, and demo's, my admin was taken and refunded before any, what I would see as a fair process, was carried out, aside from the verdict given in Nomy's point of view. I would have much prefered an on forum report, where everybody could see why I was no longer admin... including myself.
It was worse having to constantly type why I was no longer admin, not quite fully understanding the reason myself either?

- I don't doubt that you guys message payadmins individually when they do something wrong, I got messaged sometimes, but nobody else sees it, everyone thinks payadmins get away with everything, but they definetely don't.

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Also, in regards to telling players to leave if they hate the server, respectfully if people genuinely hate the server, I don't think they would play it anyway. I do however see where you're coming from, I just disagree with the idea because I think it creates an quite a negative feeling, and can be interpreted very differently by people.

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In terms of benefits for longer serving admins, I more meant having the ability to do things like changing gravity and speed to have funner special days, and being able to do more creative days with the commands, doing an mmd, which in all honesty is actually a really good day that allot of the HeLL admins refuse to do, I have no clue why...

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I'm well aware I'm being hypocritical of the type of things I did as admin, it doesn't mean that what I am saying is wrong.

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Hidden rules:

I'll use a specific example, paper: An admin (I am not quite sure which one) created a rule on paper where ct's cannot stay in the arena area waiting for the vent to be broken, whereas infact the rule is that ct's cannot break the vent at the beginning of the round, to kill the t's who 'could' be inside, even if the vent hasn't actually been broken by the t's.

This was cleared up by HeLL, and so are many of these rules the payadmins keep randomly making up, not often, but it does create dispute and confusion on the server long after it's been cleared up. But I don't really see it as a major issue.

 

and something to add on this as well. I receive sometimes complainments about that they got freekilled ( which I haven't seen ) , but as reaction they start to insult the "freekiller". I give them a warning for insulting , because I see this in chat , which is like obvious. I can understand that it's not fun to get freekilled , but we can't always see it. And advice to everyone as well: if you got freekilled , ask an admin to take care of it , or report on forum. don't try to insult , because then you're also in fault and you won't get closer to the right solution.

 

You can attach it all to this thread, I've prepared myself. rip

 

I was the best pay admin back in the day.