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Discussion in 'Counter-Strike Source Chat' started by Lino, Jul 6, 2019.

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Who was delaying?

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  1. Lino
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    On Paper Alive, the vent takes the t's to this spot:
    - By the time you go through the vent and get to this spot; the ct's will have verified the vent is open from one end, and will camp at the other end. So the T can not move.

    - The T cannot move from a very slight hidden position, or they will be killed - with 0 chance of living.

    - The CT's cannot see the T, but they stay there anyway, because logically there is a T there if the other end of the vent has been opened.

    - The other day, this happened to me, I stayed there, and then made a deal with the CT's, I wouldn't class this as delaying, I was actively negotiating for me to come out, alive, whilst rebelling, which is the point of being the T.
    Nobody had a problem with this.

    - Today this happened to another T, the T was negotiating; asking to 'knife fight the ct's to live', the same thing I had done, and have done on multiple occasions, and was instead slayn by the admin for delaying.

    - The CT's nor admin, can command the T to leave the spot, as that is commanding them to die, therefore it is up to both sides to make a fair resolution.

    - In this case, the other CT's agreed to the knife fights, but the warden would not agree.

    - In my opinion, if the T is actively making a deal, and as it is the ct's responsibility to find resolution and kill the reblling T's, this was the CT delaying, and not the T.

    - So can we get this cleared up

    TLDR:

    - T was in a spot ct's couldn't get to, negotiating to have a fair chance at living
    - CT's refused to negotiate.
    - T got slayed for delaying.

    Note: Aiden was the warden

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  2. Aiden
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    The T was there for 8 minutes of the round.
    Two people had LR for 5 minutes.
    He was warned for delaying.
    Didn't comply, so he was slayed.
    Stop whining about it.

    Global Jailbreak Rules:
    Rule 11 - Do not purposely delay rounds from ending (purposely avoiding !lr or excessive camping)
     
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    I slayed the T for delaying after giving warnings. The reasons were simple. The T in question was there almost since the round start without doing anything. When I ultimately slayed him there were about 40 seconds left of the round time, meaning he has been there for about 8 minutes. Apart from the delaying T there were only 2 other Ts alive with fair lr towards them. So the one T was "rebelling" and delaying, giving him any kind of lr - or killing one of the other Ts - is just unfair to everyone else. Furthermore like Aiden said he was excessively camping (Rule 11).
    I do not see how slaying the one who was hiding in an unreachable position was unfair or against the rules.
     
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    Making a forum post to discuss the scenario is not whining, it's getting a final say and resolution so it's more clear what to do when this happens.
    Don't be arrogant.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 6, 2019, Original Post Date: Jul 6, 2019 ---
    He was actively seeking a way to get out alive, which the CT's were refusing to give him. He was not asking for LR, he was asking for a fair, and reasonable resolution, which is knife fighting the ct's till he dies.

    It was either camping, or dying, he was there with reason. he had no other place to go. To me that's a fair reason to stay there.
     
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    The T choose to go through the vent, he choose to rebel no one placed him in that spot
    Yes that vent is unfair, yes the CT have advantage because they can get to the other end before he get to the secret
    But when you rebel you risk everything, The CT don't have to negotiate with him or let him come back
    You were lucky that they negotiate with you when you were in that spot does not mean they have to do it every time
    But I blame the CT If they were smarter they could have killed him that spot is not unreachable, there is a way to kill the T hiding behind the boxes
    It's CT job to find and kill rebels, admin should not have slayed him.
     
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    He was crouched in a spot that we could not see. From the top of the boxes next to the Laser Game I only saw the top of the T's microphone symbol.
    We found him, and as I said in my previous comment, Rule 11 - No excessive camping, the admin online at the time warned him several times to move from the spot and stop delaying.
    The only way to kill the rebel would be with grenades, but as there are no grenades on paper alive, it was impossible to kill him unless he peaked out.
     
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    Rule no 11: no excessive camping? So were the CT's not excessively camping outside the vent?
     
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    Rule 11 is in place to make sure noone delays the round from ending. The person delaying was the T as we could not physically reach him and two other Ts had LR.
    I'm sure you've been to school so you should know what excessive means, but in basic terms it means : More than necessary. The T was camping and only HE could cause the delaying to stop as I stated in my previous reply.
    The CT's were waiting for the T to die so the other two could eventually get LR.
     
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    There is another way to kill him :)
     
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    What is that then?
     
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    But how is it excessive if it's the only option you've given him, thus the camping was not excessive but appropriate?
     
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    Lino we had the situation and the same result a year ago on paper, where the player was ultimately slayed for delaying (by another admin).
    The issue is that he brought himself into that position by using the vent and then camping there. Its not the CTs job to give him special treatment because of the lack of HE grenades and the Ts refusal to do any actual rebelling. If you just give him knifefights or kill one of the others it is unfair to them because they reached lr fairly.
     
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    It's not the T's job to leave that position and die? It's the ct's job to find a way to kill that T, it's the whole point of being a T. to force yourself through whatever means into LR. If that means that the other T's get unfair treatment, so be it.

    The decisions are in the commander, not the admin.
     
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    I disagree with your logic. In this case the T is in a position of absolute power, because without him the round can never be completed. With your logic the CTs have to meet the campers demands, even if its unfair to the 2 Ts that got to lr legit. What if the camper demands to have the lr? Should the CTs kill one of the other Ts? (would basically be freekilling, since they were granted lr by warden already)

    To be honest the rebel failed, and after failing he is not dying (like the other Ts that used vent that round), but rather camps the sole spot where nobody can hit him, abusing this area of the map (the boxes are supposed to give visual cover, not cover against guns - the Ts there have no guns) and delaying the round by camping excessively. So technically hes not only breaking Global JB Rule 11 (no excessive camping) but also Server Rule 19 (no exploiting).
     
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    Well you got 2 things here, 1: you can blame the T or the CT. If you're the CT you have 1 way to get there and that's using the medic-box ring. So when u press the boxing ring on there's a chance that you get stuck and slapped away to the side where the vent is. It's possible since I tried it and made it and that was like once after 20 tries.

    And the second thing is you can blame the T for delaying if the CTs don't know how to use the boxing ring as a bouncer pad. But yeah there is a rule about delaying and it's here. It's rule 11: Do not purposely delay rounds from ending (purposely avoiding !lr or excessive camping). So in my opinion the slay was fair since the T was delaying the round and avoiding !lr.
     
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    If the terrorist was actively making a deal, why would you slay them? If they were delaying then its OK to slay.
     
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    Amen to this!
     
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    The T's deal was "I'll come out if you give me LR." This would not be fair on the other two Ts that won LR fairly and were waiting for 5 minutes.
     
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    Can@WildFire or any hell members have a final say and resolution so it's more clear what to do if this happens again, please.
     
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    can we just ban the boxes instead?
     
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