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Pardoned for LR rule

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    I don't think you should be pardoned for killing a CT just because you get LR. I think its a trashy rule and needs to be removed. Anyone else agree with this ?
     
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    Why do you want it to be removed? It's part of the gamemode. And the rule is not always active.

    For example, on Special Days/Wardays, you can kill the T, until he does LR. But once he start rebelling after his first LR, you can kill him.

    This is the same on normal days, if the T rebels after first LR, he/she can be killed.
     
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    But are you not still a rebell on Special days/wardays even after doing your lr? As it still is that day? Thought you only get pardoned after 1st lr in a normal day.
     
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    I thought the ‘new’ rules made it so once the T starts their LR they are pardoned from all previous rebelling attempts.

    If this LR is successfully completed then they start to rebel again (I.e. picking up a gun to kill CTs) then they are a rebeller and can be killed.

    my understanding of it anyway ^
     
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    Found this information from wild. Should answer the question aswell.
     
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    Exactly, after seeing that you saw Wild's reply, I'm sure you understand it now? If not, just say it here and we will explain it here once more.
     
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    Though I always obey this rule I wonder why it was created in the first place. It only promotes faul play? Additionally T's also (ab)use this rule to kill CT's after an lr by either knifing them in the back or using the guns from previous lr to quickly kill a CT and than instantly do another lr, which I think is not fun and not fair.

    Imo this rule should either be removed or atleast be changed so it adds 'this only takes effect in the first lr a player does' to make it more fair.
     
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    This only happens when CT's are baiting the Ts, I see this happening so many times just because the CTs are stacking in the last 2 Ts and getting knifed. After they get killed, they're suprised why they got killed...

    Simple solution for this, don't bait the Ts. You are a CT, you should keep your distance from them. If you don't want to get knifed, don't get close to them.

    I mean, why would you even do it? If you know that you easily can be killed by them?
     
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    Reason I find it so annoying is because for example, we were on avalanche yesterday and a terrorist made it to LR but then decided to shoot a CT, quickly followed by LR. I then killed the terrorists after to be told I freekiled which I probably did. I think it's a really rubbish rule in my opinion.
     
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    I did not only talk about knife, half the cases is CT's getting shot with a gun which was left from lr. I just think its unfair. Plus I still do not see a reason why this rule exists.
     
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    Can we than seriously start considering removing it since lot of people who play jailbreak are actually really against this rule. Back in the days this rule didnt excist and I thought is was fair play. If you rebel you rebel, no excuses or forgiveness.

    T's abuse this rule by what brandon wrote down here, and no kenny, its not because ct's are baiting that t's do this to them. There are a lot of different ways this can happen and it happens a lot. Its pretty boring to get knifed/shot/naded or even knifed by both T's when you finally reached lr as a alive CT and a T/the T's kill you, but you team isnt even able to do anything about it.

    I think it ruins fun for CT's so no clue why its still a thing. As a T you should expect to be killed if you rebel, not favoured to have "another chance"
     
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    I mean fair enough the last 2 T's are forgiven for LR thats fine but if they kill a CT and then LR straight away I don't feel they should be forgiven.
     
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    So I read a little bit through the threads, and I read, quoted from Boys' posts:

    "Again NOTHING has changed prior to LR. After an LR, CTs cannot kill a T who was hiding prior to his LR. Thats it! nothing more or less."

    "So if a T is rebelling after LR then you can kill him."

    Additionally in the game rule number 19 it states

    "Anything a T has done is to be forgiven once starting the first LR."

    So what I get from this is if a (Rebelling or non-rebelling) Terrorist does his first LR he gets pardoned from everything he has done previously. If he wins this first LR, then rebels and picks another LR after rebelling you can kill him because it is not his FIRST LR. If it is like I described here, the rule isn't enforced in the server like this, and I would be completely fine if it is like described.

    My suggestion would be to change the rule to:
    "Anything a T has done is to be forgiven solely when initiating his first LR, if a T rebels between last requests it is considered rebelling and the T can be killed."


    This to create a fair for environment for hiding or rebelling T's who want to do their first LR, but to prevent foul play which only creates a negative 'cheat' experience for reasons stated above.
     
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    It is just basic jailbreak. You are pardoned once, rebel again and you can be killed.
     
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    @Boy what about changing the rule ever so slightly. instead of pardoning them after they start an LR. Ts should be pardoned as soon as they are one of the last two alive.

    That would stop a situation like @Bennevis is describing. They wouldn't be able to rebel then quickly jump into LR to be forgiven.
    If they rebel at any point AFTER being the last two alive, they can be killed, or warning shot depending on the severity.
     
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    I don't get why we are discussing this again? It's part of the gamemode, and about the baiting part, knife or gun it still is the same thing. If you don't want to die that easily by the T, take cover or again don't be close to them.

    Why would you change the rule? The rule only counts for the first time after doing LR. If he kills a CT after his first LR, you can kill the T once he's done. So you need to be fast for this.
     
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    but dont you think it would make more sense for the pardon to happen as soon as you are the last two, instead of whenever you choose to enter LR.
     
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    It makes no sense though, yh fair enough they made it to last 2 Terrorists fair enough but why should they be pardoned if they decide to kill a CT then do Lr quick to avoid being killed? Its daft really.
     
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    thats what im agreeing with.

    Ts need to be rewarded for getting to last 2, so thats the point where you pardon them.

    if they rebel after they are the last two its stupid that they can just start and LR and get away with it.
     
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