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Discussion in 'Counter-Strike Source Chat' started by warday, Oct 20, 2019.

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    Hello forums,

    today I have a precept question for the rules of JailMod.

    Escpeally cause two admins has a different opinion on this

    When a CT says: "all ts freeze"

    is there jumping, only jumping without moving, included?

    kenny says: yes it is included

    James says: no its not. cause we dont have "afk freeze" on the server and if you arent moving around with WASD it is ok
     
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    I see it as the same as if a ct says "Take 1 step out of your cells and freeze" t's always jumping around as the are frozen on the spot and not moving WSAD.

    YIFF James
     
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    Warden says No jumping means no jumping, I got killed so many times for jumping on one spot or I killed Ts for it. Maybe it matters on the Thappy control on the CTs. But I commanded so many times, like saying: "one step out freeze and face your cell, don't cellhop or you will die." means no JUMPing, don't look at a CT for 5 years, don't cellhop, don't MOVE. This includes jumping on one spot why u jumping when the warden says FREEZE in his commands? Just get out of your cell, face your cell and freeze. Who told you to jump when warden says NO jumping?

    I think people just make their own rules on the server or some admins. Or it's just based on Thappynes. I don't know... Let's hear it from a Clanmember
     
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    If you put water in the freezer , and you take it out 24h later , does the water still jump when it's frozen?
     
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    Honestly, jumping is a vertical Movement so it has to be classed as moving?! Some wardens may say no moving/jumping just to clarify but personally it's implied. Why do you need to be jumping whilst standing still? It's pointless. It may be harsh to kill someone for doing something harmless, but it's technically going against the wardens orders...
     
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    If I'm a T, I'd assume the strictest interpretation.
     
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    If it is freeze, this includes jumping.

    If it is AFK freeze, this means do not look around with your mouse or jump.

    If I say freeze and people jump, I remind them jump to die as I like to give people the most opportunities to follow commands before killing them.
     
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    @WildFire there is no AFK freeze on HeLL JB :mask:
     
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    Yes there is! :smoke:
     
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    I just checked and the newest instance of the server rules doesn't feature it, but before that it was there and we always played it that way.
     
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    Why would AFK freeze be in the rules? It's a command? :rolleyes:
    Do you expect one step out and face your cells to be in the rules?

    Would you like an entire script of how a round should be commanded as a reference?

    What more do you want?!?!?!
     
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    No all I'm saying is that the saying was that there is no AFK freeze. I thought HeLL ain't that thappy compared to other servers. (see OP)
    Regarding the initial question: I think freeze means just horizontal movement but u can jump and look around unless other commands are given (like jump to die or face cells)
     
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    Not quite sure who started that there was no AFK freeze. It's across every JB I've ever seen. I don't use it unless it's a T sided map where rebelling is constant where you need more control when there are multiple gun cells e.g. Summer. If you jump, you are moving therefore you are not frozen. Imagine being literally frozen in a block of Ice, all you can do is look around, you cannot move.

    We don't control how people command, why would we? It takes away the fun of people developing new commands and being restrictive. The only commands we've ever restricted is "Crouch walk"because it would delay rounds and some stupid game of Freeze/Unfreeze which was stupid anyway.
     
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    Wait AFK freeze is a valid command? I saw admins (back in 2017), warning people to not use it since it was a invalid command. But so it's a valid command?
     
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    I thought I taught you better than this!

    No one has ever been warned for AFK freeze when I've been in the server. It has never been a problem, not sure why it's coming up now.

    https://hellclan.co.uk/threads/22659/
    https://hellclan.co.uk/threads/22575/
    https://hellclan.co.uk/threads/8202/page-2#post-100340

    Generally Freeze should include mouse movements e.g no looking around as your character model turns around if you turn around, however to make it easier for people to distinguish between being trigger happy or not, AFK freeze can be allowed. For example, if it's a nice map where it's easy to control T's, I'd be happy using freeze, if a CT kills a T for spinning around, then I'd be annoyed because they weren't actively rebelling e.g. attempting to kill CTs or run away. Whereas if I was on a map that's T sided, I'd use AFK freeze and if someones spinning around, sure they can die because it's hard to gun check and keep your eye on that spinning person who could have a gun.
     
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    Well it's kinda hard tho, since some admins said that back in 2017. But, now I know it's a valid command. Sorry for that mistake from me, I'm learning everyday. Anyway some CTs are killing Ts for like jumping when the command was freeze, or for looking around when commander says one step out, face your cells and freeze. This is also Thappy am I right? I mean even if the score is 5-1 for the CTs and they just keep being Thappy for it no matter wjat. First time it's a warning, second time a warning too but for the third time? Only solution is a CTban? Is this allowed, yes or no?
     
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    If the command is face your cells, the Ts should be facing their cells. Depends on the server atmosphere, how many Ts/CTS and whether people are rebelling constantly.

    If there is 2 CTS Vs 10 TS, that's ok generally speaking, if there's 5 CTS to 10 TS then maybe a bit trigger happy.

    It's admins duty to make sure there's a decent atmosphere. If people are complaining that someone's being thappy, then usually there is someone. If multiple people are complaining then I'd investigate it, if it's a one off I won't bother.

    It's a case by case basis, one rule won't fit all. We can't say people not following freeze/AFK freeze and jumping and freelooking should/shouldn't be killed, it depends on a lot of factors.
     
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    Finally, the answer I was looking for... Thanks. I knew it depends on the atmosphere but sometimes they just keep being Thappy where its 15Ts vs 7CTs for example on the map vipinthemix or jb_minecraft_v5, etc... in my opinion you shouldn't kill a T that's just facing other direction when warden said face cells, I mean sometimes they just one tap a person just because he faced 1minute a different way.. then he/she should be facing their cells.
     
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    so i can use the AFK freeze from now on and no PA will bother me about it , noice
     
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    Wow lol I thought afk freeze and freeze on HeLL JB was the same. A more lenient and player friendly difference from all the other servers. The more you know!
     
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