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Discussion in 'Feedbacks & Suggestions' started by Murky, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. Murky
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    Let’s talk about HeLL Clan. By the years many stuff has been updated: site design, forum stuff, in game rules. Everything had some changes. Some of them were little and some of them were huge.
    the idea i am representing today might make everything little bit better and I want to see what everyone thinks about it.


    Community Representative.

    What is community representative?

    A person who represents the community in several situations. A person who can speak for majority of members.

    Why Do we need it?

    First of all, we don’t have one. HeLL Admins doesn’t represent us and the reasons why its needed and what benefits it can give us, I will explain below.

    The responsibilities and power will be give to a community representative (or CP In short form which I am will use in future) will insecure safe environment for everyone.

    What kind of power?

    Community chosen person won’t be and shouldn’t be trusted to give as much power as HeLL Clan member. When I talk about power I mean In game power as equal as pay admin. On Forums special badge which represents him or her.

    How CP can be chosen?

    CP must be chosen by community members via voting. CP must have majority of votes which is 60%. If person can’t gain 60% than there’s going to be second round. Winner of second round will get CP title.

    How many CPs can be chosen and is it permanent?

    There should be only one CP. CP can change once a year. But if CP is not active and doesn’t do its responsibilities (which I have not spoken about yet) title will be removed and there will be early elections. Of course super Admin can remove CP title or even reject chosen person and make new elections. Also super Admin can reject nomination of the CP candidate.

    What kind of responsibilities?

    1) CP MUST ENSURE SAFE IN GAME ENVIRONMENT.

    2) CP MUST BE “PEACE GUARDIAN” NOT ONLY FOR THE PLAYERS BUT FOR PAY ADMINS TOO. (if there is some discussion between pay admins and there is no hell admin to resolve the problem, CP has last words in game.)

    3) CP MUST MAKE AT LEAST ONE EVENT ONCE A MONTH (CP must be active member no only in game but also on forums) making events will be MUST. Otherwise title can be lost.

    4) CP will be face of the community, so CP must know all rules and must act mature not only in HeLL Community but outside of HeLL. Person might be not breaking rules here but in other places he can be very toxic, as a face of the community u have a responsibilities so if you be found to be racist, xenophobic, homophobic etc in other places, your title must be removed.

    How voting is going to work?

    Every person can nominate themselves (if they don't have any punishments at least 3 month)
    note: nomination must be accepted by super Admin. if its not accepted the reason should be given.
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    To sum up:

    This is some kind of challenge, I can't guarantee it will work 100%. but if does community will only get benefits.
    I also want to mention, there are some good players and members here, who can't buy pay admin due of some problems, this is great chance for them.

    I would love to hear more suggestions or changes in current system.
     
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    @Nomy so how much do I need to donate for dumb rating so I can rate this properly
     
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    Main thing I like about this is the community get to vote for a player, Gives the ability to him or her for a chance to be apart of some thing.

    My main issues: What are clan members here for?
    Any issues you have we are here, we will listen and guide.
    With this Suggestion your potentially creating a new position in between a clan member and payadmins, dividing the gap as such.

    I would much rather donate £10 myself and allow community members to place a nomination down to somebody who they feel deserves a chance to be payadmin.
     
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    Clan members are not obligated to make a event once a month. CP must do that. if someone is going to be a face of the community at least they should get benefits as payadmin. this will actually might make someone want to be CP. some people start being DJ just to get free pay admin but after while they leave. this is same but now community also gets events.
    this is true, it is making a gap but it can be worked out, maybe not giving CP more power than PA which i mentored here
     
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    i i suggested the same sort of things but hell members did not lile it
     
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    Every player in the community from member, content creator, pay-admin and HeLL member has the privilege of creating event's, all it takes is it running it across a clan member prior. Just to make sure all okay and no other things will clash.

    Sadly as soon as you put that title "CP" it creates a GAP.
    we have places that current pay-admins can ask and discuss privately with clan members and everyone is equal on what is said; "Pay-admins internal".
    Clan members ain't here to remove pay-admin we're here to listen and offer support and can a situation be handled different.

    If there is any other issues, you can use report section to report issues with pay-admins or contact a clan member and discuss privately.
     
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    I do like the intention of this role you are proposing @Murky. Currently, with the average age of the clan members and dedicated personal commitment they have with them, they do not play the servers enough to be the face of the community which brings as much of a divide and a 'GAP' as a new role.

    I'd suggest around 5 'CP's are selected through a democratic process by the community. This way, it doesn't put all responsibility on one person to create and organise an event. To reference @JayJay
    Clan members have the role of assisting the CPs with their collective or individual event they propose to you and you accept. You can have an additional CP forum where they propose ideas internally and you discuss and organise logistics (when, what server, what CPs and what clan members will join). Similar to how the clan does it already.

    Although the clan host irregular events, CPs can run the show and keep the 'down time' busy with smaller events. These events could be in the fashion of the weekly fun days but with the same frequency.

    Jay, if I assume correctly, you partially relate this to the hell-f days where you had a massive divide between the community, hell-f and hell.

    To have a vote on this, I think ]HeLL[ members should nominate 5 players to be eligible for the new role. Out of these 5 players, the community vote, and the top 3 are put into the position. This way, the below statement doesn't become untrue.

    "We don't believe in join us forms applications and such, we want the best admins who we think are suitable for our community"

    I think that becoming a ]HeLL[ Member is far to difficult and in frequent for you guys to be the 'face of the community'. If you had a lower tier ]HeLL[ member again (]HeLL-CP[ perhaps) with similar rights to what ]HeLL-F[ had, you start to create the atmosphere that the ]HeLL[ members are actually playing on the servers again. Instead of it being a shock when you see one enter the game once in a blue moon.
     
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    You can rate by proxy. I had rated it for you.
     
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    i hate reading, could u make it short plz
     
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    @Amin "i wants hell members without hell tag"

    The whole thing could just Be solved by recruiting More hell members but that takes trust from management

    More members will Be recruited when the time Is correct and canditates are trustworthy
     
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    oh, i agree with that.
    i cant focus and read lately i neeed a vacationnnnnnnn
     
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    So is this going to be discussed internally? Or are you just going to have it rated as dumb and be done with it...
     
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    Is it going to be discussed further or just ignored?

    Yes.
     
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    Oh you referring to me? No sorry, this wont be discussed internally as we can discuss it here. There is nothing here to be discussed internally and frankly our internal isn't anyone's business.

    The rating was on behalf of PASi. Please read my previous post again as I had mentioned it.

    Regarding this thread's topic I totally agree with JayJay.

    When murky made this thread, it seemed like a joke on discord but not everyone visits that so it is understandable.
    There are a lot of flaws in this and maybe I could write up a lengthy post on that when I have sometime.

    Thanks for the suggestion!
     
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    Community Representative

    CP

    ?
     
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    Okay, this is what should have been said to begin with. The sarky dumb rating made it look like you didn’t care about a community suggestion. A bad persona for the clan if you ask me when you have a genuine suggestion. Thanks.
     
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    I thought the same but clearly, we were wrong.
     
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    yes it seemed like a joke cause u want it to be seemed like a joke, I didn't say anything about the thread until i posted it, i was very serious.Thanks Jayjay who actually took time to reply and was interested about the suggestion. even tho i don't fully agree with him, i appreciate him for taking this serious.

    took you one week to say this, hehe np
     
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    @Murky I'm sorry you feel you didn’t get the overall out come or response you was expecting.

    I’ll be 100% honest this has actually been suggested before and was turned down previously.
    Nomy has said there is to many variables and I personally wouldn’t want people to think they are above pay-admins because they have another title.

    We would rather have pay-admins and players be able to approach the clan with the suggestions or complaints, Adding another title could negates this.

    Any clan member will work with you if you wanna create events, giveaways or even have a suggestion on a tournament and wanna actually be apart of it.

    @Murky if you would like to move forward on the process of allowing the community to vote for a “server player” to be given a chance of pay-admin each month.

    Where the player who’s nominated and wins the community vote then gets pay-admin for a month.
    He or she will still have to go thorough the acceptance process/ approved to have pay-admin.

    But this will give the community a chance to vote for a player to be able to get pay-admin with out actually them footing the payment.

    Then we can look into that....?
     
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    That is whole different idea from what I am suggesting, community representative would have more responsibilities than pay admin. I don't see any point to choose just another pay admin every month. whole thing why i came up with this idea was to make regular players more involved into making events and be more active. I know every each of us can make event but we don't. Personally I am not even ready to do one, some others might have different reasons but CR might have have given motivation.
    I understand the gaps you are talking about, I don't know how CR can be gap when actually players are choosing him and he is not appointed by hell admins. this is arguable to me but agian, I see where are you coming from.
     
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