Surf Admins

To Hell Clan Admins - ill be addressing to you as (you guys)

Well I wanted to make this thread to address the fact that there aren't enough admins on the Hell surf server. Currently there is only one active admin Ollie, Ryan shows up from time to time when he gets called by Ollie. But the lack of admins is a joke. Ollie has a life I'm sure he wont spend all his free time on the surf server (since he started playing CSGO).

Anyway the way the system works is you guys expect people to pay for Admin. Players pay for Admin to help you guys keep the server in a good state by getting rid of all the hackers/spammers. So in the end you guys win/win. This system makes no sense to me as you guys expect people to pay to help the community. I get that you guys need funding for the servers hence why this system is put into place. But if people aren't buying Admin then the system isn't working. Something needs to change because there are still spammers and hackers coming onto the server ruining the game for people and like i said Ollie isn't on all the time.

I'm proposing that you guys should open applications or hand pick a few players to be admins on the surf server, not many 2-3 active players would do good for the server. The qualification should be set by how much admin experience they have, how trusted they are by current admins and community and how active they are as players on the surf server.

Anyway this is a suggestion to help the community coming from a long time active player of the server. I hope this goes into consideration.

Thank you.

 

1+ Should recruit some more admins.

 

To be honest, Zavvy, this isn't just a problem on the Surf server. It happens on GunGame too. I am aware that I am a PayAdmin, thanks to a generous donation, and Blizz too, is a PayAdmin. As far as I am aware though, there aren't really any other admins around. I see a fair few suspicious players, and some blatant hackers.

I agree that, maybe something should be done. I definitely think that the trust in the community/server is an important, if not necessary, aspect of what you have suggested.

Beyond this, I do not know the logistics of how this would work (if it would at all), but I definitely think it is something worth looking into.

 

As a big of a community Hell is I'm sure you guys could find other selling points to fund the server. I know the server tries to stay as close to vanilla without any skins and tracers or whatever and I like that. But I'm sure there are other methods that could be created to get players interested in donating without changing the way the server is.

 

There aren't many clan members that actually play on the servers anymore as most of the active ones have left and the majority of PA's are on jailbreak, it has been like this for a while now.

Would be a nice idea to implement.

 

The same is true for Minigames, we get the occasional pa and clan member but it seems to not be enough.

 

holy shet its actual rank 2

 

To sum it up, not enough admins on servers, except JB which tbh has too many.

I think this would be a good feature but if it's implemented the admins should be chosen by clan members and should have community + server experience. I've played servers on CS:S and Gmod that let you become mod with a simple application for free while only having 10hrs or so game time and it leads to a lot of issues.

 

LOL no way it will cause issues, every kid gets free admin, sounds great.

 

Agreed.

@Zavvy has you may know recruiting isn't something that happens over night and i think hell is getting more aware of the problem that is going on bcus as you can see there were a few changes in clan structrure as well has PA's and DJ's recently, imo applications isn't the way hand picks, more often, looks more like it.
Btw what random said was exacly the same you did, maybe you want to re-read that post

 

He made an obvious point that giving free admin to random players leads to bad consequences for the server. What I'm saying is there are obvious long time players that can be trusted. Except its not that obvious to clan members because they don't play on the server.

 

That system does work flawlessly on other gaming communities.

People saying that it's easy to get in if you have an application, you are wrong. It's actually decently hard to get accepted due to you have to fill in some sort of template. Creating a good application is a bonus up obviously but it's the activity and maturity that maturity.

The invite only process seems in my honest opinion, has fallen apart, a recruit occurs at random occasions and that's pretty dull.

Since this is an invite only, some people might feel that they aren't getting enough attention by hell members since they are the one deciding whether you are in. The application system is a great way of actually joining the staff team.

It's not easy at all, and that's from my previous experiences. I had to stay online for at least 2 hours because of an interview and in that interview, they had to figure out that i was right for the job.

The invite process isn't balanced since the hell has priority on picking players, those that somehow has monopoly and knows the hell members, friends or whatever, would probably (notice the probably please) get in before somebody else.

If this idea would be accepted, then there should be the following:

- The application system shouldn't be an easy task.
- If the player gets his application accepted, then it should be followed by an interview, where you could talk about all kinds of stuff. My last interview, we saw on if i knew the majority of the rules, talked about why do i want to join and so on.
- Then once the interview is done and the player has answered the questions in the interview and the application correctly, then he should greet a months trial.
- The following months will be a someway mediocre harsh month:

1. Should be under watch to see if the player is doing his job alright.
2. Needs to be active obviously.
3. Needs to interact with the community best way as possible.
4. Needs to be mature both in the gaming servers and forum.

^ Those are some parts that i had to do at the other community and in my opinion, you have to be really, really loyal and dedicated if you wanted to pass and become an administrator.


TL:.DR:
Make an application system, followed up by an interview, then finally a months trial to see if the player is dedicated enough and has been a great asset to both the servers and hell, then at last, a full invite.

 

It was merely a suggestion, Nomy. And if you didn't get the meaning of month trial. You can always deny their application if they haven't played enough watching their activity through gametracker.

I didn't say they would rightout get invited to the clan if they made a good application, i was rather suggesting after the interview, a month trial aswell to see how they work ingame. If you wish to increase the month trial, then go for it, however a month is a steady time.

 

Well, if it works for you, then i suppose it's alright. Thanks for the feedback.

 

I understand what you mean nomy, but plzz, everyone will be 2 faced if its to become an admin for free. I like your system of picking clan members. Drain you're making it sound difficult lol, the process would have been a lot more simple if clan members would be active on surf servers. From my own experience the most important factor is dedication, I've been admin for past communities through the application system because of my dedication on helping the server and being an active member. Basically what I'm saying is if a player is fit then there shouldn't be a need for an application the clan members will know themselves that that's their guy.

Also interviews are the biggest bullshit in my opinion.

 

To me it seems like the recruitment process seems to work well, take Myles for example. When I was a fully active player on the forums and servers, I had no idea that Myles was being watched to become a HeLL-F member. That's what I like about it - yes, it may seem out of the blue or dull, but it works.

The problem I can see arising if this were to be put into place is that the player(s) selected will only be specialised to that server. Becoming part of the clan is a special privilege and should be kept that way. Everyone looks up to HeLL members and shows a certain respect towards them which I very rarely see in other communities. HeLL members are admins on all servers and are available to be called upon if necessary. Yes, there are problems with certain servers where HeLL members are not active but as I've said in the past, you can't force people to play on a certain server just to sit in spectator in case there is a hacker. I'd just prefer not to have anyone receiving free admin without being part of the clan - the respect wouldn't be the same.

While I do agree with some parts of this suggestion, I think it would be kind of unfair. Take Jailbreak for example, at this point in time there is £119 worth of Payadmins working towards the server. Now to me, to give a couple of players free admin just because there are few admins on that particular server is a massive kick in the teeth to those paying for other servers. I myself have probably put over £150 into the football server over the years, and I wouldn't want someone to come along and give those privileges to other players for free. A lot of people have put a lot of time and money into these servers, and I think it is those players that should be considered before anyone else.

Also, lets face it, after the first month it's £7 every 30-31 days. As the saying goes - if you want a job done properly, do it yourself.

 

Although what this statement has stated is true,it is however flawed.
For example,alot of active players on the website can't be bothered to pay money to become an admin.In jailbreak there is so many PA's Im wondering to myself "Why?" I wouldn't see why they're would be so many as the server only holds like 40 people.

What Zavvv wanted to point it in black and white is not many ]HeLL[ members (besides Wildfire,who occasionally appears) come on at all to Surf.Most of the clan members that I have noticed are sitting in a prison cell watching 'Orange is the new Black'.

From my perspective,only a few ]HeLL[ members genuinely come on and watch servers (or even play in some cases).I personally would like to see something implemented,im sure @Nomy is already working on something because of this topic.