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Discussion in 'Server Problems & Suggestions' started by Doctor CPU, Nov 20, 2021.

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  1. Doctor CPU
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    Everyone who knows me will know me as the kind of kid to not take things seriously and just have a general laugh, but in light of recent events I've been mindful when talking to certain members within the clan that have had the controversial topics spoken about them. As some of you may know, i am underage, and i'm sure no nonce wants a welsh kid but the thought of being surrounded by potential dangers isn't the nicest thought if you could put yourself in my shoes.

    I know i'm not the only kid that plays on HeLL so i don't think it's been appropriate that HeLL hasn't addressed these issues. I think it's quite concerning that anyone that has tried to speak out has been immediately silenced/banned. It worries me further that the rumours which aren't really rumours are true. I'm sure we all know what "rumours" i'm talking about. I don't want to talk on the issues themselves and who they concern much because i'm worried for my future within Hell (being banned) but @Boy said in the discord that night this all went down that the members in question apologised - therefore admitting that it's true?

    All i'm asking for is that someone explains the thought process behind the decisions being made. If something has upset this many old regulars, eventually leading to their bans - surely there must be some substance in it.
     
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    :beluga:

    In all seriousness though, I agree that admins should explain the situation in more detail. Feels like punishments are being handed out left and right for no real concrete reason.
     
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    Wait CPU is underage ? :mask:
     
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    cant u read? dumb dumb
     
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    Hi @Doctor CPU

    When the report was first Issued, it was roughly 8 months ago and handled Internally. The report consisted of Clan Members at the time looking into the alleged allegations and at the time the parties in question was messaging in a joking manner.
    All partys was requested to make a formal apology and did so, at this point the apology was received and the issue was resolved.

    Recently the matter has resurfaced and due to the fact the case is now 8 months old, it will take longer to look into once again.

    Please note, nobody here should feel unsafe and if anyone is making you feel uncomfortable please speak up.
    We have a safe system in place to discuss privately any matters you wish to discuss.

    As you remember last year when you were talked to sexually inappropriately by a player who is still active in this community. We investigate and discuss this discreetly as allegations of being a pedophile are taken seriously. The label of pedophile is one that shouldn't be given lightly as it is severely damaging if used incorrectly.

    If the matter involves either Superuser -> Clan Member -> Senior Member -> Nomy. Please talk privately to the next bracket in the list and everything will be handled correctly.

    We understand it can be frustrating not seeing active progression on reports/cases but this does not mean they are not currently being handled, or gives you an excuse to discuss/push the matter further as this will hinder the progression and possibly the outcome of the original case.

    Any actions taken by individuals showing a trolling manner to create attention and disrupt Clan's services will result in bans/mutes.

    We are here to help support and guide this community, If you have a issue or problem we will look into it but we need your help.

    At the time of the issue, players from the community were reported or shown to be trolling the sensitive case. We have no issue with people questioning what’s going on but when they are showing total disregard to a sensitive subject and are more interested in causing issues than sorting the issue then they will be removed from the community.

    The current matter which is circulating will once again be looked into, If the original person wants to open a report. As of yet, no players who have been banned or punished have requested to be processed to be unpunished which if they believe they are wrongly punished have the right to pursue.
     
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    The main issues just stem from your last line, where you state 'The current matter which is circulating will once again be looked into, If the original person wants to open a report'.

    It should just be 'The current matter will once again be looked into'.

    The main problems that should be addressed are:
    - Even if it was a joke in their minds, what's the humour in asking young woman for nudes without mutual consent for that form of relationship? Should people with that mentality hold authoritative positions in a community like this?
    - If you can not confirm if they knew her age or not, and there is no evidence to suggest either, you go with the facts which are, she was underage, her internet persona was that of someone below the age of 18, she is an extremely well known regular who has had correspondence for years on the server. Taking these factors into consideration, I think most people do not actually believe that the admins in question did not know her age, and even if they truly did not, it is their responsibility to check before making any comments, or having any correspondence like this.
    - Negligence is not an excuse.
    - The way this was handled originally was most definitely done wrong.

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      well like i said, she is free to seek legal advise or contact police or whatever

    I think this is the most symbolic sentence from the discord chat, the fact that boy see's the real world criminal aspect of this scenario.

    Why are people who are so negligent, and uncaring of others wellbeing in positions of authority?

    Just to also point out in case this is the argument used to counteract this, I am not trolling. I have reported people in the past for speaking with incorrectly minors, privately, and for various reasons similar to this case, and those scenarios were handled fairly, and respectively. In the majority of these cases I believe you guys do actually handle very well... But those were players.
    It really does look like hell members are given special treatment and are set to lower standards than the rest of us. Mainly due to the lack of transparency in the decision making, and when it does become transparent about certainly Boy's rationality (an apology for asking an underage girl for nudes) it doesn't particularly put you guys in good light..
    Making this case private when all the factors are seemingly known just increases the toxicity surrounding it, people don't like others receiving special treatment due to their status. Hell members should be able to be reported openly, the only defining factor in a case being taken private should be whether it has adverse real world implications.

    The community consensus seems to want the hell admins in question removed from their positions. The more important being the elder of the two being removed. Or at least suspended for a period of time whilst you look into the events again and the evidence provided.
     
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    This whole "just a joke" thing doesn't sit well with me at all, we can use this argument in other instances to see if it holds water, for example the comments James made about Lino's girlfriend. Now I think even Lino would say that James was joking about what he said but I don't think anyone would say that made it okay, it was incredibly inappropriate to the point James was rightly punished.

    If nudes were sent as a result of the requests is it still a joke? just something to think about...

    But lets talk about the standards we hold community members to. So we should all know that members that have been around for longer receive harsher punishments for infractions, why? because they know better. Simply put we hold these members to a higher standard, pay admins to a higher standard then that and you can probably see where I'm going with this... The members that should be held to the highest standard are not the players it is the people that run it.

    As a community we know and have known for as long as I can remember that this communities age range varies dramatically we have elected not to enforce to any form of age restriction and with this decision comes a responsibility and a basic duty of care and consideration. Now while it is certainly true that not everything will be caught and sometimes people push the boundaries and get away with more then they perhaps otherwise should, it should NEVER be the case that the people who's duty it is to prevent this kind of behaviour are actively engaged in it. Any member that disagrees with this should step down immediately, as you lack the understanding and are not fit for the position.
     
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    Hi Lino, Topbadge

    Firstly thank you for replying, I can assure you at the time we treated the case as a high level issue and looked at the evidence presented then made the decisions.

    Obviously 8 months ago we found it to be handled and case closed, matter resolved.

    The evidence we was shown could be seen as in another matter than you are describing but we take these issues very serious and as said if the person would like to take it further and make it an open report for everyone to look at the evidence then we will do so but for the sensitive nature of the case that is there decision to make first not ours, as we would like to protect all party’s involved.

    The person can request to reopen the report.

    However all evidence will be displayed on both sides for every one to view.
     
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    hey @JayJay that was not what cpu was on about and not trying to be rude but that is not your place to say about the situation without consulting the people involved. it has been said that it is a high level issue but yet nothing has been said and the matter did get made public again as it was pushed under the rug for the protection of the hell admin or past hell admin. it is a personal opinion and how you choose to deal with the matter and the consequences.

    Time doesn't change the severity of the situation, that is a known fact, but if the person doesn't want to make an open case that could mean other people can get involved making it harder than it has to be, the evidence being used doesn't show the amount of times it had been said

    thanks :)
     
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    Hi everyone,

    Thank you for being patient through this difficult time. The case has been reviewed and discussed internally with the appropriate people. For privacy, the outcome won't be made public, however those involved are happy with the outcome.

    If anyone is involved in a sensitive issue, please seek a senior clan member to help.
     
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