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Gum Obstacle causes severe mental health issues

Discussion in 'Counter-Strike Source Chat' started by Camwil09, Feb 7, 2020.

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    Nope, it's @spoon, he's on another level.
     
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    Why isn't this kid banned yet? lmao
     
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    Not everyone is as sensitive to my humour as you..
     
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    I vote the map to stay! But maybe allow admins to change it to gum!
     
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    No one said it will be removed, just changing that only admins can put it on. Instead of players nominating it, basically like serpentis temple.You will need an admin to put on the map, that's what we want. The map is not bad to be fair, it just gets played too many times in one day and like for several hours...
     
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    Yeah i agree, or maybe Gum be allowed on for 3 hours each time?
     
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    I change my mind, keep it, just got past ladders :p
     
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    Saying I would change opinion and all of the sudden you change eh? Noob:D
     
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    Been a busy couple of months, so sorry I didn't get to this sooner. Don't really know what the conclusion for this case ended up at, but I'll give my two cents anyways.

    If you want to remove the map because it's "too hard", you might aswell remove the most popular bhop maps such as, bhop_badges, bhop_yonklomo(or w.e) and etc. from the bhop server. They're the most popular maps because they're difficult. It feels good to beat the maps, or even just get past a hard stage. and is a milestone for alot of players.

    So maybe
    and GumObstacle being added isn't a coincidence.
    TL;DR get gud @Camwil09
    (Edit: the fact that gumobstacle may be playing nonstop currently will fade eventually. as it does everytime a new map is added.)


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    @Camwil09 You can't really put Gumobstacle in the same boat as 100traps. The issue with 100traps isn't the difficulty, but the fact that it bugs out after 20 minutes and is literally unbeatable after that. Which means the players who have already made it past the bugged levels don't want to rtv, and the people who just joined and have no chance in proceeding just leaves the server.
    How 100traps is still on server, I don't know.
     
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    What has bhop maps to do with MG maps? 2 different servers with different settings and maps. About the mg_100trap I agree on that part. But don't see the point of the gum map where it's been said why people want to "remove" it. It takes so much time to beat the map tho. I am normally a course lover but even I get bored after 30minutes of playing and keep failing on the same part.

    But yeah I get your point of "get skills, etc..." you are not wrong on that. I think most people don't want to spent 2-4 hours on a map just to complete it. I get that it will be easier for the old regs who can complete it within 30 minutes but for the new guys it's kinda boring. Also we don't want to "remove" it, we just asked to make it that only admins can change the map so it won't be on the nomination list. Just like serpentis map.
     
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    I compared it to a couple of bhop maps that 99% of players can't beat, but somehow still are among the most popular maps. It doesn't matter if it's two different gamemodes.

    I know for a fact that a lot of old regs (myself including) quit because shit got repetitive/easy. same cycle of easy courses on repeat

    Serpentis works as an event map because it's a co-op map that is unbeatable unless you have a minimum of 8(?) players. Gumobstacle doesn't work like that. On top of that, there's rarely ever any admins on the mg server.
     
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    Like I said it could be good for you because you are an old reg and the map is easy for you because you have the time (the skills) to complete a map in few minutes/hours. Rarely any admin? I think you never play on MG server because Skip is most of the time on MG server, same with Remix and Surprize. Also I am recently online on the MG server too.

    If I'm not correct I know many regs who don't like the map either. Except some of the tryhards under us, playing for 2-4 hours just to complete the map and after that trying it again just to get a better time on it ain't fun tho. Just imagine playing a minigames map for several hours just to for the kills/rank etc... Same map, same games, same things over and over again for several hours doesn't sound fun for me. Does it for you?

    Also don't get why you compare bhop server with MG server, it's not the same in my eyes. It has different settings, different type of maps. That's like comparing the DM server with Clan server. It's not the same... Maybe the maps are hard on it okey I get that, but MG server is not just BHOP, it's more then just your bhop-skills.
     
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    If HeLL members are more active on the MG server now, then that's great. I personally can't remember seeing much of them for the period I was playing. But I've been busy the last few months, So alot could've have changed since then I guess.
    It's a good thing that there are alot of active PA, but they can't nominate event maps. and like surp and I said, GumObstacle wouldn't work as an event map regardless.

    Like I said, this is what happens everytime there is a new good quality map added. It'll fade over time.I hopped on the server last night and it seems to be already doing that from what the old regs told me.

    If you still don't get my comparison then I don't know what else to tell you.. I'm not comparing the gamemode MG to the gamemode BHOP per se. I am saying difficult maps tends to draw more traffic, Period.

    If we take bhop_badges as an example again (Just an example because it's a difficult map, doesn't mean it have to be bhop).
    It's a map that gets gradually more challenging the further you get into the map, just like gumobstacle, so both noobs and pros can play it

    badges is to this day unbeaten on the HeLL server. however, it's still the second most played map out of 100+ maps on the bhop server. Whenever there are more players than usual on the server, it's usually bhop_badges or another difficult map playing.

    So what I was saying in my first post, Maybe the recent burst of players on the mg server and gumobstacle being added and played so much isn't a coincidence.
     
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    Well, I get your point it's not that, it's just that most of the time people just leave just because it takes so much time to beat the map. But yeah, there are people who like playing a few hours on it so they can complete it. Alot has been changed while you were gone, don't think u know about Super Users now? That role has been added too. If you wanna know more about it, it's here: https://hellclan.co.uk/threads/41668/. Anyway MG server has been rising now with 20+ players every day since the past months, so I would say if u got time just hop on and u will see it with your own eyes.

    Also I think that most people just enjoy playing on multi-games maps or "easy course: like metro_course, dc_course, saw_rfix, LEGO course, etc...". I always say to myself that it's not bad to do some hard courses that's how you get more skills in the game. But yeah, playing 1 map for several hours ain't fun for me tho and I don't think I'm the only one on this.
     
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    That's cool! gz to you and @Skip , Well deserved.

    I guess that's why we've got "rtv". If the majority wants to play multigames or easy courses, then we'll play multigames or easy courses. vice versa.

    The majority always decides
     
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    Thanks and the thing about the rtv is there are always people who don't want to play any of the maps and just rtv just to ruin the fun for others. Or don't even try to play the map for a few minutes and ragequit the game or just spam ingame "RTV quick, boring map". But yeah I get your point about the gum map, depends from person to person.

    I just wanted to see how the old reg see the map and see their opinion about it. Now that I talked to some of them I get their point 'your one of the old regs'.
     
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    Firstly, I want to say that I was one of the first to beat it on the server, so idk what you mean by "get gud", the map is simply boring and tediously long. Secondly, the map was added to the server way before it started getting played. Thirdly, regarding your point about the hardest bhop maps being the most popular can't be compared to mg. You know exactly what you're getting into when you are joining a bhop server, for new players joining a "minigames" server playing one of the longest (if not the longest) course on the server with extreme increase in difficulty from early on in the course while the map has been played for 8 hours straight, they have no chance to experience anything else the entire day.

    Speaking for many people who have played the map, this has to be one of the only maps that I did not feel good completing. For those who were there when I completed it knew how angry I was even after playing it. I get that some people like this map, but it seriously needs to be an event map and I am really not sure on why this map still hasn't been removed.

    As for 100traps, I agree there are bugs that can make it nearly impossible to complete, which is one of the main issues with the map. It also was a huge factor in killing the server for nearly the entirety of last year, so saying that the maps will fade away eventually, yeah it might die down in a few months and by that time everyone will have stopped playing anyway because of the map.

    On a positive note, I really appreciate the amount of time HeLL admins are now sinking into the some of the servers lately, especially MG as there is a quite a few players that do join when it is a multigame map. But as somebody who has played on the server for many years, I feel like I can't join and enjoy playing MG anymore due to the spam of maps like this. People are saying that the server is still being populated when gum obstacle is on, but it is always the same 10-15 players and you begin to wonder, where are the others?

    For a server that is meant for mini-games, it isn't really "mini-games" anymore.
     
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