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Discussion in 'Report a Player' started by Lino, Oct 14, 2019.

  1. Lino
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    Name:         Ge0 @Ge0➆

    Server:      Jailbreak

    SteamID:   STEAM_0:0:83413865

    Reason:      Abusing his status as admin and threatening over the top punishments.

    - I was commanding on spy vs spy
    - We did breakfloor
    - I said the command "Jump to die", a very popular command on breakfloor
    - This command is said to make it so that if the floor breaks around the t's, they cannot jump to another platform.
    - The t's were on a platform, all platforms surround that one had broken, it turned red, so me and redexor killed the t's.
    - GeO slays Redexor: Geo claimed that the t's could still as HE WORDED: CROUCH JUMP (Screenshot below), this is when you run across the gap, whilst crouching, to "jump" from one podium to another without moving vertically, but whilst moving horizontally, it is an abuse of in game mechanics.
    - I had not had someone do this on my commands before, and I personally have always considered it jumping, as you are leaving the ground to go from one object to the next. And obviously, so does Geo, as he used the term "jump", to describe it himself.

    - I was then accused of trolling for using the command "jump to die" and threatened with a perm CT ban if I "Troll" with this command again?

    - I play this server allot. Stats.JPG
    - I have had in total 2 ct bans this year, both by player vote, one by myself (purposefully due to freekill) and one was a troll ct ban. Last year, I had 5 ct bans, 4 by player vote (one myself, 4 other troll ones due to no admin, and 1 from kill for baiting, which I may have deserved). 4.JPG

    - I command most the time I play jailbreak. I have never been ct banned for troll commands, or ct banned for my commanding.

    So can someone please explain why he can threaten me with a permanant CT ban, based on his own opinionated technicality, and why he is allowed to slay, based again, on his opinionated technicality?

    I'm making this report, because I don't want to be commanding thinking that if I get a command wrong, I am going to be permanantly ct banned due to the admin mispercieving it as a troll. It does not make the server enjoyable to play on, also due to the lack of HeLL admins playing on the server, some payadmins, more and more, are creating their own individualised rulesets for the players to go by.

    Another example: Today I got warned and slapped, for spending 1 minute drawing on a little pixel in game painting thing, whilst the t's were trapped inside a game and the warden did not need me. It's almost like the admins are just craving someone to control. I then went on to call that admin bad things and got kicked twice, which I did deserve, and I openly apologise now to @kYe for drawing the dick on the wall and calling you it.



    Proof:

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    2.JPG 3.JPG
    (Wild hadn't joined the server at this point, and left shortly after)
     
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    You can run and crouch to clear a 1 square space in the Breakfloor game on Spy vs Spy, I don't consider this jumping. It's just a case of a new problem that has been encountered and a lack of awareness led to a situation that escalated. To prevent this just say "leave the square you're on to die" or something to that effect, so they can't jump and they can't do this trick.

    If you wan't to be technical Definition of jump: push oneself off a surface and into the air by using the muscles in one's legs and feet.
    Therefore this wasn't a jump, it was more compared to a fall, but crouching gave the person a bit of air to clear the gap.

    It's an awkward situation and the slay would be correct as the command was jump to die and he did not jump. However, the actions that followed seemed disproportionate. It was genuine misunderstanding from what I gathered on your part, so Geo, please do not suggest a perm Ctban when a genuine mistake happens.
     
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    As you can see on ur last screenshot i said "run and crouch" which means i fixed the misstyped "crouch jump" that I originally said and u mentioned it with caps.As Wild said run and crouch is very common in this breakfloor and it isnt consider as a jump.And since youre long enough here (as u nicely analyzed it in ur post) its not the first time watching someone doing that.

    You're saying that its an abuse of game mechanics and we shouldnt interfere with the game since the floor was red and we should die.Its kinda hypocritic coming from you but lets agree that we shouldnt interfere with the game.Then why you didnt let us die by the game and you str8 shoot us before we even have the chance to move and by that you interfered with the game?While you didnt shoot the other Ts that died by the game because they didnt have a chance to survive.

    I dont usually suggest perm ctban except some very rare cases where perm is fair punishment.For example if they do the same thing over and over again.And then i suggest them to come here for an appeal so i can explain the reason.Until now i havent give any unfair perm CTban.On Linos case,at that round where he send us to breakfloor he drew a d*ck using his laser and said "thats Kye".Then we move on with the round and does the incident we're talking about right now.So think about how this trolling attitude seemed to us at that time.I was about to slay him for the freekill (like i slayed redexor) but he got kicked by Kye with the warning to stop trolling twice.(He apologized now ofc).So what i told him is that if he keeps trolling (already got 3 warnings) ill perm CTban him.If HeLL members would came to a conclution that "that was an unfair CTban" i would apologize.
     
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    Thank you for recognising Ge0's response as disproportionate :)

    In terms of "Jump", I can also write an alternate definition, the first one on google: push oneself off a surface and into the air by using the muscles in one's legs and feet.
    I have drawn a detailed diagram of how this "jump crouch" is in fact a jump here: 5.JPG

    when you move forward using this method, as you come to the edge, you are in fact raising both legs up: like a spring action. Such as in crouch jump, this enables you to jump "higher" in the air. As a spring action is used in the legs, which enables a verticle boost in the player, this would technically count as a jump.

    But simply: I will from now on say "Jump to die, run and crouch to die"

    I still don't believe a slay should have been done though, even in the case that the command was left open to interpretation, it would have been more responsible to explain his case clearly. And see it as a misunderstanding that could be discussed. There was no purposeful intent to freekill. The CT's did not believe they were freekilling. And sometimes, it's more effective to explain, rather than punish: https://www.parentingforbrain.com/discipline-vs-punishment/ here are some tips for you parents out there.

    I also believe the fact geo used the term 'crouch jump' in his own description of the move as very important, only correcting it when it was pointed out by me.
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 15, 2019, Original Post Date: Oct 14, 2019 ---
    - That's a very weird word to mis type.
    - I specifically said, I had not had someone do this whilst I commanded the game, and if they have, they did a good job, kudos.

    - I never said anything about interfering with the game? You're the only person on this thread to use the term interfere before me just typing it now? lol


    - You shoot the t's who are going to die, because on this map it's very easy to jump to another platform before it breaks. You shouldn't have anywhere to move to. It's like shooting someone who is falling to their death. It makes no difference.
    - But, I will be more aware of this in the future, and do my commands accordingly.

    That's true Geo, you haven't given any unfair perm ct bans, In fact, I just scrolled down the CT bans, and the only perm ct bans I can see, are for leaver freekill bans, and mass freekills. None for trolling. None for anything else. So please keep trying to justify yourself.

    In kYe's case, he's an admin himself, it's not your business to deal with.
    But that's okay, I respect you being bros and standing up for each other... or did you use what was going on with me and him to give yourself an excuse for your irrational thinking :)

    - In all truth, drawing a dick on the wall with a laserpointer and asking the t's to guess what it is, then saying "no it's kYe", is pretty humerous to me, compared to the dark shit that most of you on the server laugh at.

    I especially liked it when this evening when some members of the server were making pedophillic comments towards other members, and recieved no punishment at all, oh wait, the person who got the comments made towards them got muted instead? XDDDDDD. despite me pointing it out in admin chat twice. And I really enjoyed all the players making comments about my "dead mother" and much more whilst 3 admins were on XD it's hilarious.
    I did honestly go back in my chat to try and find the comments so I could report it, but I spent too long trying to write this, so it left my log.

    Ge0 I respect that you weren't on at this time.

    My point is simply, allot worse goes on than a dick outlined on a wall with a laser pointer.

    Last point: Let's pretend everything were linked, and it all added together. Why would you perm ct ban? Maybe think, "shit maybe this person has had a bad day and that's why they are letting out some steam in a game, but maybe they need a cool down as it's ruining the server atmosphere so they can reflect".
     
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    Edit:If you are bored to read,go down and read only the last paragraph.
    Ιts not the first time i see people doing the run and crouch thing.I see it every time on this map's breakfloor(also on mlcastle's breakfloor).When CTs kill Ts who runs to other floor using that technique they got slayed,its common thing.Everybody knows that except some new players like Redexor.Thats why i was surprised that you acted like you didnt know and said "thats a jump" because both legs wasnt in the floor.And redexor didnt complain about it,he asked why he got slayed when i explained he got it.

    Cool analyze you can copy it and paste it on server suggestions thread.

    Its not a weird word at all,stop focusing on something i misstyped.Its a word that we use to explain to someone how to climb a box "you have to crouch-jump",you've heard that first time too?

    Again youre focusing on words while you understand the meaning.

    Ok sometimes i do that too,for ex on colours (new summer) when they fall down i kill them.But in this case you didnt kill the other guys that was about to die because they didnt have any chance of survive since there was no floor near them.You killed us because you knew we could survive.
    Proof:
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    Can you show me where you found that information from?Because very quickly i remember 2 cases that i perm'ed,they came here and the CTban was deserved as HeLL members said.So dont try using fake informations that not very manly thing to do.
    Ill show you:
    https://hellclan.co.uk/threads/40387/
    https://hellclan.co.uk/threads/38194/

    I didnt deal with it he was the one who kicked you 2 times when you were trolling.
    Instead you were the one who interfered with my admin actions.By that i mean you got kicked by Kye,you rejoined instantly you saw me slaying Redexor and you instant said on admin chat why did u slay him.While until then i didnt even do anything to you.You put ur nose by urself.I admit that if u werent kicked i would slay you too for freekilled,like i slayed Rede.
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    If that happened i agree its hilarious what do you want me to say?Next time report them or send me the screenshots and ill help.

    I could say that about someone that havent created any bad atmosphere in the past.

    What i believe is that we are focousing on details and we missed the bigger image.You report me for "Admin abuse".The only actions i did was slaying Redexor and then since you sneaked in,i told you that i would slay you too,dont do it again else ill perm CTban you.
    -About the slay,Wild already said that it was justified.
    -About me saying "ill perm CTban you" since probably thats it what influenced you the most,i explained it in the previous answer but i can plus that in general when i slay someone and warn him to dont do it again,but he doesnt learn and with the first chance he does it again.A punishment will follow.The lenght of the punishment depends on a lot of things.
     
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    My idea of this run/crouch thing is clinical. Do you use mouse/space to jump (E.g. +Jump), if not then no you did not jump. They ran and crouched off a ledge. Whether this is intentional or a glitch, god knows. It's a mechanic that's used in skill course maps. The awareness of this is not common knowledge hence why it's an issue right now. Saying "Jump to die, run and crouch to die" is wrong and can lead to misinterpretation by way of CTs killing T's that either run or crouch without leaving the platform. Instead say "leave the platform you're on to die" or square or whatever, that way it covers Jumping and also 'running crouch'.

    Other than that, either side haven't changed my mind further, Geo it seemed like an accident and no evidence has been provided to suggest otherwise. Furthermore this was not a case of admin abuse but rather a lack of clarity of what this running crouch issue means.

    Moving forward, running and crouching from one platform to another is not jumping. If you want to enforce a way to restrict T's, be clear and don't leave it to misinterpretation.
     
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