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Discussion in 'Counter-Strike Source Chat' started by Lino, Jul 6, 2019.

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Who was delaying?

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  1. RSWReece
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    Nah I'm sorry but this legitimately doesn't make sense. You say it's a stalemate and that "an admin should be able to break the tie" however, that's simply not what admins are for? We can argue that the rules are being broken (ie delaying/exploting) and that's a justifiable reason for the slay, but admin intervention shouldn't be used to deal with a "stalemate" situation. It's the exact same logic that an admin can't slay a T who's hiding inside of the ski ride on jb_avalanche. Jailbreak is a roleplaying game, where there are Prison Guards and Prisoners, and in a situation where a Prisoner is in a location where the Prison Guards cannot get to them, negotiating would happen. It seems the Prisoner tried to negotiate, which fell on deaf ears, and therefore an admin got unnecessarily involved. In the game of "Stubborn Warden" vs "Stubborn Prisoner" surely the Warden is at fault, as at the end of the day, it's the Warden's prerogative to ensure a "successful round".

    Equally, you state that the area is not unreachable and you can kill people with an AWP, so shouldn't that be what the CT's had done? If there was a possible solution to kill the T in there, why wasn't in done? Let's be realistic, if a T gets stuck somewhere, you're a bit of a dumb fuck if you don't try to AWP him out of there, you know that a shot that connects will basically one shot them.


    I also wouldn't really class this as "delaying" or "camping" by the traditional meaning, as that would lead one to believe that the T was making no effort to do anything about it, when he was infact asking to be "pardoned" (a very common thing within the Jailbreak server) and not immediately asking for LR, but asking to infact knife fight the CT's for his life. Something that is also very common. To me, this sounds like a situation where the Warden was stubborn and refused to even consider co-operating at all, and an admin who either died and was bored of waiting for the next round, or had LR and was bored of waiting to use it, remembered that they could just make their own life easier and slay them.


    agreeing with Lino made me throw up in my mouth.
     
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    the solution: !rtv
     
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    If neither will compromise and the T continues to sit there, then this is delaying, there's no hope for the T to survive to LR if they won't compromise. This all comes down to wardening play styles. I'm a more relaxed warden so I would let the T come back, there are some that are more severe. Should we force them to change their play style? No because that's what makes us different, if they're severe, it's so Ts know they can't take the piss with this commander. The situations you've said are different, the T in your situation is different, they're in an unknown area that is completely reachable, in a sense that the CTs can physically walk up and knife the player if they wanted. In this situation in the OP, the T is in an physically unreachable area, which makes it a bit more difficult.


    Yes you can use an awp to kill someone there, it depends on how good of an aim the person has, it's difficult. If a CT can't manage it and neither will compromise to allow the T at a chance of LR, the T will continue to sit there, where an admin can warn the T for delaying and eventually slay if the T continue s to ignore the admins valid warning. It won't just be the admin waiting and getting bored, it will be the entire server that will also be waiting, where a admin can act in the best interest to prevent delaying and even players leaving the server.

    It is delaying, if neither will compromise then a T continuing to hide with no intent to actively rebel is just delaying. They have 0% chance of succeeding, so why delay the inevitable.

    It's another one of these situations that becomes unnecessary to explain because one or more person has had this situation happen and now is looking for some sort of 'new rule' to be brought about. This is one map and one situation that rarely occurs because most people are okay with a T coming back without any guns. It's common sense guys, being more relaxed brings about a better atmosphere, just killing people who have rebelled and asking to be pardoned can be trigger happy but it's still following our rules.
     
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    How can the T compromise? Like, this legitimately doesn't make sense, they're dead the moment they "compromise", so compromise or not, there's no hope for the T to survive. I don't think it has stuff to do with wardening play styles, as it's sheer stubbornness. Idk wtf u mean by the situations being different? I'm not talking about "being in a unknown area that is reachable" I'm talking about the specific situation in OP. I get the T is in a physically unreachable area, but we've already established that the T can be shot by an AWP.

    This reads that you don't have a solid idea of what you're trying to say. You're talking about it being common sense, being more relaxed and bringing a better atmosphere - sidenote, isn't that the point of admins, to make a good atmosphere - yet in OP's scenario, the warden has 0 interest in making a good atmosphere. You also state that "just killing people who have rebelled and asking to be pardoned can be trigger happy" yet we talk about being trigger happy as a bad thing? Even in your specific guide, you talk about people being swapped from CT to T for being trigger happy, I mean damn, it's one of the reasons that CT Bans are given out yet you're saying that being trigger happy is following our rules.

    Idk who you think is looking for "some sort of 'new rule' to be brought about" 'cos it ain't me, and Lino has already stated it ain't him, he just wanted clarification? So idk why you're painting player's asking for clarification on things with the same brush.

    At the end of the day, this boils down to clarification as to whether:

    A) CT's should try and promote a positive atmosphere and be less T-happy in situations where the T's trying to negotiate for their life.
    B) T's who have intentionally got themselves into situations where they might die, should expect admin intervention if the CT's cannot kill them.
     
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    Why would the be dead if they manage to compromise? They would be allowed to come back, that doesn't make sense. Warden play styles are a thing. I am more relaxed but still manage to keep people in check, whereas some people are strict to keep people in check. for example, making people crouch and not jumping to areas. What I meant about the situations being different, in your example, the T hiding isn't delaying as there is a variety of ways they can rebel and if they are delaying, then a T can snitch and take the CTs to them to get LR. Whereas we know they're hiding behind the box on paper_alive.


    It's true we want the server to be relaxed and have the best atmosphere possible, it's not always possible. We do what we can with what we're given. I would not slay a ct for killing someone who used a vent, this trigger happy rule is aimed at those who shoot people for the slightest of mistakes, so don't try and use it in this situation.


    This I agree with. However, if a commander declines to allow a T back, then the T continues to hide without being killed, then admins can warn the person for delaying. Since there is 0% chance of succeeding, they may accept their fate or at least rush the CT. Continuing to hide in this situation is just causing a delay.

    Though, I wouldn't slay a T until they were preventing LR from happening.
     
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    actually there is a spot behind 2 boxes where you cannot be seen or shot, no matter how good the CT's aim is
    (i just needed to clear that up)
     
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    Just throwing out there if that said player behind the box is an admin, it is written that an admin can’t slay another admin what’s the protocol then?
     
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    If it's @Hans Tier then it's okay
     
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    Then tell a clan member because this pay admin is not promoting a good server atmosphere and is delaying. A pay admin is like any other player and should be following rules.
     
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