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Zombie escape server changes

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  1. JayJay
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    hey @Nomy

    As discussed can we edit server settings to attract main Zombie escape players to the servers.

    Hopefully it’s worth the shot.

    Main issue to attract people they want a 64 slot. (Maybe change over time)

    Maps- I’ll sort hopefully tomorrow

    Please disable fall damage,

    Zombie crowd teleport should be disabled and first zombies teleport back.

    Is jump set to 1.0 can we raise slightly?

    Unlock all guns, (all guns)

    Skins, will discuss. I know we like vanilla servers but zombie servers have them and they active 24-7. If there server set up perfect.

    @Chasin Any recommendations you know?
     
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    I would introduce the !p90 !tmp !m3 thing that plugin or whatever it's called, way better than have to buy weapons at beginning, also useful to hold better the zombies, so you can use !he when you have thrown the nade
     
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    If we can get nades and smoke by type !he or !smoke and it costs $5000 per each of them and and if we getting guns by typing !p90 it should deduct money because if not players can bind that and have infinite ammo
    Making clips of guns same like every smg has 50 ammo in one clip otherwise only p90 will be prefferd always
    Gun prices should be reset according to it's usefulness like smgs $3000, machine gun $6000, rifles $2000, m3 $2000
     
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    Yes!! but in my opinion weapon cost like buy menu same money(or maybe not because tmp is very cheap, binds ftw), nades 5000 its perfect (don't abuse) and smoke I see only on nemesis map because its very broken on normal zombies >:)
     
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    Any help on linking the actual plugins, skins and maps people want so we can take a look would be great full.

    Zombie knock back was also mentioned, need to be higher. Shot with gun they got hit further back.

    Trying to make this server a happening place.
     
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    Just giving my 2 cents:

    Firstly.. No.
    Of all the ze server "standard" plugins i belive this is the worst. There is a unique feeling on hell zombie escape which is the feeling of actual survival that other servers lack and personally i wouldn't change that.
    Literally on every other ze server you just run backwards spraying your gun, run out of bullets? "!p90" thats it, the entire map will be cleared in the first couple of rounds.
    While on hell i clearly remember playing some longer maps, like LORT maps, in which some funny and awesome moments happened that would completly vanish with the use of such plugin:
    -having to use a pistol cus i ran out of ammo, so i have to aim better/be more cautious.
    -having a clutch bhop runaway to get a new gun
    -just straight up knife a zombie without dying and sending him flying miles away just to save some bullets.

    TLDR:Not having the plugin and having to manage your bullets instead of pressing mouse1 mindlessly is better/funnier/more challenging

    Yes and no? i dunno some maps were designed with fall damage in mind, so mixed opinions on this one

    Kinda unneeded dont think thats the reason the server is empty, i think it could stay like this for a now?

    Dont understand what do you mean by the zombie crowd thing, explain pls :p

    The first zombie teleport thing is another thing that gives a unique feeling to the server, just like not having the !p90 plugin.
    I understand it can be frustrating to become a zombie 5 seconds after the 1st infection due to chance.
    But i swear i love the tension when everyone is counting the seconds on the screen and looking at eachother to try and shoot/knife the 1st zombie :D
    Its a good suggestion nonetheless.

    No comments on this one, doesnt really hurt changing this imo.

    Same as the other one, doesnt hurt since the locked guns are nowhere near the most broken on this gamemode imo.

    Dont know where this is comming from honestly out of all the servers i played i think our's is the most balanced? Plus i dont want you to ruin my tmp and my p228 :cry:

    Please dont.. 1st come the skins and when u notice we already have trails, tracers, chat colours and vip :shake:

    And finally i got one suggestion there is a plugin somewhere that mutes other players gunshots, game's quieter, u can talk easier, overall just a quality of life plugin. I can try to search for it but its almost 9am and i havent slept yet, ill do it later if needed tho!

    Just wanted to give my opinion since its still one of my favourite gamemodes on css

    PS: !scream could have some sort of cooldown for each player to avoid spamming aswell?
     
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    All of the above are suggestions of players who actually play ze 100% time and what they want on a server!
    For the last so many years the ze server sits empty unless we have an event!
    Come to the end of event. Server is then empty.

    I understand hell normally wants to keep a vanilla based server but I’d rather have an active, enjoyable server that regular ze players wanna come back to.

    Would mention servers with these setups have player base active 40-60 players 24/7.
    So obviously we are wrong considering we sit empty all the time.

    I thank you @DaNiNeX for your input but I believe it’s time to try summit new. If it don’t work or people don’t like it, We can change again accordingly. But we have to give it a try first.
     
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    We can put it anyway we like it, but the server is empty because of us. There isnt a minimum player number enough to make the gamemode work and be enjoyable that plays there constantly in order to actually attract new players and have them be the playerbase of that server. There was for a time a few years back with you, me, mharos etc. but it wasnt enough to create a playerbase cus we do have to sleep at some point :D
    Anyways, my point being, changes and new plugins will sure be nice, but there wont be any development on the server because of that. In my opinion what the server needs most is that the players that already play here give it a good amount of their time.

    I agree, you know better than anyone how much i would love to see that server filled 24/7, just dont think we should just copy paste their plugin folder on the ze server, thats why i gave my opinion on every suggestion you had there.
    We cant forget that hell is hell because of what we have different from other comunities. I can guarantee that everyone that started playing on hell and stayed did it because of something unique and different that it had that others didn't. Dont blend with the herd.
     
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    We ain’t blending with the heard! Im afraid things evolve, game maps have changed dramatically over the years which require us to improve the services.

    Bosses in levels creates the need for zombies to get teleport back at start as during game bosses kill most players then they become zombies in an unwinnerable way.

    Fall damage greatly improves chances to become zombie! When there is already so many obstacles to get to end already!

    Because off boss levels by the time you get to end of the map you don’t have ammo to hold of the zombies, either to many zombies or used all ammo on boss.
    This requires the gun plugin to sort.

    As I say these are all active in other servers that players return back for!
    I’m not asking we change and it stay like it forever. I’m saying let’s mix it up now, see if we can get a player base to join and be active! Then any suttel or minor things we can change after.

    We can always revert back! But we need a change now first to see.
     
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    I know vanilla is prefered but that doesn't mean that vanilla is the way to play :p it's harder and more focus than with plugin but sometimes that isn't enough to play with "all fun"(it's my opinion I'm not saying you must put this plugin blrwbrwb!!!:p) and trust me, for each hit a zombie you earn like 4€, you have to hit a lot to buy another weapon and sometimes that "unlimited ammo" isn't enough to hold them because you can easily run out of money or bullets aren't enough because players don't defend against the swarrrmrm.

    This is for knockback and other stuff but in my opinion knock back doesn't need to be changed, yesterday before event I tested knock back with chucky and m3 to head it's like nearly knife and the m249 does knock back good enough to hold them back
    http://addons.eventscripts.com/addons/view/weaponconf

    These two are for the buy thing but I'm not sure if it's good configured for the purposes
    http://addons.eventscripts.com/addons/view/ZombieBuymenuFixed
    http://addons.eventscripts.com/addons/view/zbuy

    This is right true over here all these years I've been loyal to clan server, I've met awesome people and we all know each other, that's why I really like hell, because the people not because the server ;P
     
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    I did not think from a boss prespective, you are right those things have happened in the past! But it still think it will make more traditional maps completly dull and unplayed, so we will end up removing them most likely, unless something can be done to work around the ammo management part.
    But yeah i do understand where this is comming from now thanks!

    I understood that i just think that the other way around would be better, change stuff, but change it in a hellish fashion. And if it doesn't work then go for more drastic changes.
     
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    Alright here we go
    -First thing I noticed was when weapons drop most of the time they disappear in the ground which make it incredibly hard to pick up the item (like sword for example) if another player lose it or die
    -Second !GE and !weaponsound to mute weapons sound is a MUST have (Most of the time I was unable to hear people talking on the mic because the weapons were so loud)
    -First zombie infection must teleport to the Start
    -Zombie HP 50,000 WTF ??? No wonder no one was able to kill any zombie, Most servers give zombies 3500-10,000 depending on the class the player pick (fast zombie get 3500-5000 HP and heavy get 10,000 HP but slow him down)
    - !ztele cooldown to 3 sec instead of 10 Sec
    - For basic player base you can have bots that play on the server 24/7 like 10 bots and when 1 player join 1 bot disconnect
    This is all I can think of for now if I got anything else I will add, Thank you
     
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    Nowadays its nearly impossible to start a populated css server from scratch. 3 years ago i tried it many times with new i3d servers and back then we even had a bigger playerbase to rely on. However, ive learnt from my mistakes or lack of effort back then and if you are really motivated to make this work, it will take alot of work but it can still be doable.

    I can tell you already with the current playerbase this doesnt work. People involved in the HeLL css community are people who enjoy the mod of jailbreak and minigame. These players are the only players willing to join an event and socially interact on the forum etc. These people WILL join your occasional events but wont join the ZE server regulary. Because these players want to relax and play what they like after a long day of school/work and join jailbreak.

    The only way it can work is by giving privleges to certain players that play alot of ZE and have alot of influence on other players. By this i mean giving admin to people who play alot of ZE or are in a ZE clan. And even then its really hard, because they usually play on one server and like to stay around there cuz they are familiar with it. New players are nearly impossible to attract, unless valve decides to make CSS free. This is the only way in my opinion to easily populate a server. All the other options take alot of work and alot of dedication. Also stealing player bases isnt really a nice thing to do.

    Settings:
    - Knockback should be lower imo. It often happens that someone shioots the zombie from the back to the front. That is really annoying in some maps
    - More ammo. It just frustrating to buy ammo while fighting a boss
    - Standard p90/dual elites loadout. So noobs know what to buy. Rifles are basicalyl useless
    - No fall damage
    - Unlimited ammo (only if you want to make the server noob friendly)
    - Less Zombie HP
    - As pure said, !stopsound plugin that blocks other people shooting sounds.
    - Maybe add some skins for admins or donators.
     
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    I would make no fall damage, rebuy plugins bcs its more fun, disable croud spawn, update your maps pls, than i would stay more often on your server, ah and enabel !spec. THX :D



    I play ze everyday on Unloze, and i want to make this server more populare
     
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    @Nomy If possible?

    Edit server slots 64,

    Disable fall Damage,

    Zombies that spawn first please make so they teleport back to spawn, First zombie infection must teleport to the Start

    Unrestrick all guns, Doesn't matter if they have awps.

    knockback - seems okay for moment

    Buy menu: http://addons.eventscripts.com/addons/view/ZombieBuymenuFixed

    Buy menu: http://addons.eventscripts.com/addons/view/zbuy

    First thing I noticed was when weapons drop most of the time they disappear in the ground which make it
    incredibly hard to pick up the item (like sword for example) if another player lose it or die

    -Second !GE and !weaponsound to mute weapons sound is a MUST have (Most of the time
    I was unable to hear people talking on the mic because the weapons were so loud)

    -Zombie HP 50,000 WTF ??? No wonder no one was able to kill any zombie, Most servers give zombies 3500-10,000 depending on the class the player pick
    (fast zombie get 3500-5000 HP and heavy get 10,000 HP but slow him down)

    !ztele cooldown to 3 sec instead of 10 Sec

    Unlimited ammo (only if you want to make the server noob friendly

    More ammo. It just frustrating to buy ammo while fighting a boss

    Standard p90/dual elites loadout. So noobs know what to buy. Rifles are basically useless

    enabel !spec.


    Not sure about:

    For basic player base you can have bots that play on the server 24/7 like 10 bots and when 1 player join 1 bot disconnect.

    Maybe add some skins for admins or donators. - to decide on. (I've got a selection, I'll paste up in Minuit to see what you think, unless people wanna post ideas?

    Maps: I'll go through maps soon but if people can please place map suggestion's here and I'll add:
    https://hellclan.co.uk/threads/6518/
    @Chasin @Luke [EOD]
     
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    Don't wanna copy there server and defiantly DON'T wanna invite there community.
    Just wanna get our server up to scratch to gather a player base on how they want the server.
     
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    But i can send u maps?

    i mean u dont rlly copy unloze, dont u like unloze?
     
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    Yeah you can suggest maps in link I posted above. Maps are generic to zombie escape so that’s okay.

    But we have strict rules about people advertising other servers and recruiting our player base. So we don’t wanna do the same to others. Not very fair if you get me.

    We will find our player base our selfs, Just need to modernise our server to what people want.
     
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    ah u dont want that some players steal your player base
     
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    Its both ways, we dont want to steal anyone's player base, nor we would want others to steal ours :D
    Never heard of unloze but im sure they are a nice bunch of guys. If you want to recommend some maps for our zombie server please do so by all means. At the end of the day, we would only add maps which are suitable for our server, very nice of you. Thanks mate!
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 21, 2019, Original Post Date: Jan 21, 2019 ---
    Anyway some decent points mentioned on much needed thread, would certainly love to see some changes done to the ZE server. Just keeping in mind that we dont want to overpower the CT (Humans) by lots.

    No fall damage, yes.

    The issue with some boss fights id like to say could also indicate the lack of numbers rather than not having unlimited ammo. I dont know, maybe the map sets the boss health according to number of humans or maybe not.. But having more ammo is defo needed, really depends if we add the buy menu so players can just pick whatever gun they want whenever. Again might go a bit too much against the zombies that they dont bother trying.

    Zombie spawn locations are set by maps apparently the last time I asked, not server. Explains why its only messed up on certain maps, but for a known map.. :S

    Yea zombie's health should be lessened, the game is more live when there are zombies dying. The feeling of getting a headshot is far much greater than the zombie's death just re-spawning from it and most maps take care of the re-spawn points really well. Having said that, I think the knock back is pretty decent considering if we allow all weapons including AWPs. The command for spec is very handy too, and so is having a set loadout when spawned as a Human, forget the buying BS, spawn with the basics and off you go even if you are eating a bag of doritos.

    I don't think we would add bots but I do think its time for some new skins on ZE. Player base is a separate issue almost out of our control. But we can however add/change server settings as one can argue that the player base issue is because of the server settings. But I think the ZE server is indeed a bit broken atm so please carry on throwing in more ideas and suggestions, we sort this server out once and for all.
     
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